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| my fren ask me why?; why i get back onto a 2st | |
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| Topic Started: 7 Sep 2011, 13:42 (646 Views) | |
| rookie | 7 Sep 2011, 13:42 Post #1 |
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ehhh, simple reason. becoz i'm a cheapo person.  i own both thumper and smoker before, and i do my on setup, maintenance on both of them with my personal experience, a 2st is so much cheaper to maintain and have fun riding a thumper, no doubt is easier to ride, but i prefer a fatter wallet for a rainy day, since now i got my own place, and a family actually since a couples of years ago, not us, but the american, most of them have in fact, switch back to riding 2smoke why? becoz of bad economic, and it is more costly to repair a thumper. u bought a brand new thumper at $xxx and you spend about 1/4 of $xxx to repair it if it goes boom? many oversea riders just parts out their bike and get back to 2smoke. and in some area, 2smoke are harder to find used and some got it at a slightly higher price. as of now, beside yamaha, other jap manufacturer do not sell them in the states even though they still do sell them in other countries. then why am i not getting a yamaha, my fren ask if i were to get a brand new bike, in my opinion, it is not really worth it, why? yamaha stop their r&d of their yz smoker series in 2006 if u buy a brand new 2012 yz125, but with 2006 technology, do u want it? and new bike, u lost more $$ when u trying to sell it later on. how many of u actually check the valve clearance after the bike break in? did u know how to do it? or do u make the effort to send it to workshop to check? the workshop here have quoted to replace the valve, valve spring, rework on the valve seat if it is out of spec, spring retainer, gaskets, piston, rings etc, will set me back, $1k+ easily and why did i not buy a brand new smoker? simple, $$ again. it is cheaper to overhaul a smoker than a thumper. a 250f need to rev till the ceiling to build power and that constant high rev, is what kills the engine (higher wear and tear), yup, the 250f is really a nice bike to ride. however, u need to keep an eye on it, with regular maintenance. if i;m a $$ man, i will get a thumper! ride 1 year, change bike, ride 1 year, change another 1 also mx is one of the cheapest motor racing sport where mortal ppl like us can even race in professional level if you are really tat gd. it is more of a rider than the bike if u wanna compare to motoGP, u can forget about it. it will cost so much more. since when mx riding has become so expensive?? lastly, i;m back riding more for fun factors, podium and become champion rider is not in the back of my mind any more |
 
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| airtime | 7 Sep 2011, 15:30 Post #2 |
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hi rookie, yes,u do have a couple of points. i 2 switched to a thumper in 2006. the plus point of a thumper is dat its easier to ride than a 2 stroke esp in the corners. where its alot easier to get traction. the down side is frequent oil changes which isn't helping out the environment. change of engine oil every 2 rides( $20 per bottle had 2 use 2 bottles so abt $40 plus excluding oil filter....2 stroke race 2t - say $40 a bottle but at 1 liter n say a pre mix ratio of 50 -1 ..that would work out 2 100ml to every 5 liters of petrol. so u can see how many rides u can do on 1 bottle of 2t.  yes,its possible to maintain a thumper if u have the proper tools but its a lot more work n moving parts to disassemble. u r correct with the situation where most privateer racers/older/hobbyist/riders r switching back 2 a 2 stroke cos of the costs involved in racing/riding a thumper. the point where the JAP factories have stopped doing R & D their 2 stroke mx bikes is true...forcing riders dat r racing with the 250fs with their 125cc 2strokes bikes to bore out their engine to abt 180cc. only Yamaha is providing a big bore kit 4 the Yz 125. that is why i have gotten a KTM 150 sx...its 1 of the few manufacturers dat still have a active development program for their 2 strokes. as i had started racing 2 strokes b4 the thumper revolution came along n i made the switch 2...did i miss a 2 stroke....yup i sure did! the light weight of a 2 stroke bike and the " FUN" factor dat it offers is something dat a thumper won be able 2 replace. yes,its alot cheaper 2 maintain a 2 stroke esp if u r doing it yrself. so i guess at the end of the day its how deep u wanna dig into yr wallets to have fun riding off road! juz my humble feelings! 
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| rookie | 7 Sep 2011, 20:38 Post #3 |
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this is 1 good site to look at 2 stroke motocross check out how many of them switch back to smoker now. dun have to argue how many of them got "broke" from maintaining and repar the thumper... just register ur goodself inside and ask them, why they switch to riding premix bike, and u got the answer and yes, this is a site from US of A. anyway, for a slow and cheapo poke like me i dun need the latest cutting edge brand new bike to make me feel gd and have fun riding i ain't a factory or professional rider, nor sponsored. with bad economic market coming up, i just can't justify paying so much for a brand new bike like airtime!! unless u r prepared to be stuck with it for a long time or sell it at a low ball price! Edited by rookie, 17 Sep 2011, 12:06.
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| rookie | 7 Sep 2011, 22:12 Post #4 |
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this is a good read. another intersting thread see how many thumper owner swapping their newer machine with a older smoker clicky here Check this guy out. He traded his 06 CRF250X for an 03 CR125R. Sounds very happy about it. The guy in the video seems a little awkward, but not exeptionally so. I thought it was interesting how his video brought out such rage from some of the lawn-mower riders who compete with a displacement advantage. I guess maybe it might bother me a little if I came in from polishing my new $8,000 Mower-Cross bike and saw a video like this where a guy happily traded for a 3 year older, smaller, 2 stroke bike and said it was better. One of them was even raging on and on about how "His 450 could smoke this 125...." Well buddy... that's great... if you can beat a 125 with your 450... give yourself a pat on the ass... you deserve it! Here in the Netherlands the same thing. Cheap second hand 4 strokes. If you can call them cheap. I swapped an 06 YZ 450 for my 05 CR 250 plus cash. The guy i swapped with had it for sale two months later! It was still for sale two months after that for less than what he wanted for the CR! this is infact what is happening oversea, on differen country with many mx riders. Edited by rookie, 7 Sep 2011, 22:20.
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| airtime | 7 Sep 2011, 22:14 Post #5 |
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well,juz as u feel that be cos of the current downturn in economic situation its better 2 buy a used bike. well,i bought 2012 bike cos i m going 2 use it 4 a long time...and with the current improvements over the prev model dat is wat was the factor dat influence my decision. also since i was buying the bike from the official ktm importer i m sure that there will be parts support 4 the bike. but if i were 2 be buying my bike from a paralleled importer than i would have 2 consider the fact dat i might not be able 2 get the parts support for my bike. always check with the local importer of the brand of bike u r going 2 buy abt the spares...esp if u r going 2 race the bike. juz for info sake - local Honda agent - boon siew - local Suzuki agent - guan hoe - local Kawasaki agent - evershine auto - local KTM agent - dirtwheels - local Yamaha agent - hong leong. Edited by airtime, 7 Sep 2011, 23:45.
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| bsriphet | 9 Sep 2011, 13:09 Post #6 |
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Haha 2t fan boys!! Anyway, nice post with some insights into owning an offroad bike.. 
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| rookie | 9 Sep 2011, 13:27 Post #7 |
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yo Benny, if i were you, i would definitely get a thumper! |
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| airtime | 9 Sep 2011, 17:34 Post #8 |
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thanks bsriphet, history will repeat itself again. but again whether its a thumper or smoker.its all abt the fun u get out of riding/racing off road.
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| bsriphet | 9 Sep 2011, 21:11 Post #9 |
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I will not disagree but for a complete repeat of history we need some more innovation and I really think it will happen so looking forward to it! In the meantime I'll indeed stay on a thumper! The main thing is indeed to have fun!!
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| Ken 81 | 9 Sep 2011, 23:19 Post #10 |
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2 stroke or 4 stroke or what brand is does'nt matter...Matter is we are one fun dirty family...And that is d fact... |
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Despite the vast improvements in the field of automobile safety,one simple component that talented car,bike engineers & designers can do nothing abt-the Nut behind the steering wheel or the Rider!!! 
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| haroldlouiz | 10 Sep 2011, 02:08 Post #11 |
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i guess there will be a whole lot of theory and different point of views from different persons. but ultimately is to choose the machine that suits ur riding. cheap or expensive to maintain? / rich guy or poor guy? most impt of all... is to enjoy the bike that are riding!!! like my HONDA WAVE! =) just joking... like what Ken shifu and Benny Shifu said, is to have FUN!!!! =) and i cant wait to ride my 2t! whahahhahahha |
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| airtime | 16 Sep 2011, 19:51 Post #12 |
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i stumble upon dis 2day n 1ted 2 share it here.... http://www.dirtrider.com/reviews/motocross/141_1011_ktm_150_sx_vs_ktm_250_sxf_small_bore_motocross/viewall.html happy reading
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| rookie | 17 Sep 2011, 12:26 Post #13 |
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just saw this new posting 2012 KTM 250/300 - what my dealer said « on: Today at 05:26:03 PM » Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I had about an hour to kill yesterday as I was passing by the dealer that carries KTM. This is mostly a road bike shop but they do sell some offroad bikes too. Quite a bit of stock on the floor. I asked about 2T bikes because I didn't see any. As others have said, the dealer's owner shook his head and said a couple years back they could not get rid of the 2T bikes. Everyone and their brother wanted the 4T's. So he cut way back on the 2T request from the distributor/factory. So guess what? he has a 250XC coming in about a week -- and its spoken for, by 5 buyers! NOW he has quite a few 4T bikes on his floor, 250 and 450 in both SX and XC trim and even a street legal 450. Says there was tons of buzz early in the season about the new FE 350 but he can't even sell those either. I asked what people are saying that leads them to want the 2T bikes instead. He said (drum roll please).... People want simple bikes with easy and reasonable cost maintenance. and THIS is in California! Where you can only ride the 2T bikes about 8 months out of the year. Even with that gigantic drawback his customers seem to still be voting with thier wallets: We Don't Want 4T Anymore! He sounded pretty disgusted by the amazing flip-flop of customer opinion on the subject that leaves him unable to get the bikes they want and unable the sell the bikes he has. Even without DI, 2T seems far from dead. ============================================================= the replies from others The 4stroke revolution did not only kill bankaccounts but it is killing the dealers aswell. ----------------------------------- It's difficult to "vote with your wallet" if you can't even find a new machine. I literally called all over the country before I found my 250sx. Since buying my new bike, I've run across almost a dozen people who whant a new sx but can't find one. lame. Most buy used since that's the only option available. ---------------------------------- folks are voting. The dealer fkoor has plenty of 4T bikes camping out. The wallets vote by staying in the hip pockets. This guy is going to request a lot of 2T bikes next year! looks like the tide is changing...  oh, here's the link -> "clicky here" Edited by rookie, 17 Sep 2011, 13:43.
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| airtime | 18 Sep 2011, 05:29 Post #14 |
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interesting!!!!
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| rookie | 18 Sep 2011, 11:36 Post #15 |
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what i can say is, this is a fact. And this reversing trend actually started a couple of years ago... Anyway, it's your $, it's your choice. With unforseen world economic situation like this, i would keep abit more dough in my own pocket for rainy days. Unless u race for a living, then the lastest machine is ur best bet. Edited by rookie, 18 Sep 2011, 11:38.
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| airtime | 20 Sep 2011, 11:17 Post #16 |
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when i was over at freestone,tx. i spoke with the parents of the kids doing the qualifying round there 4 Loretta Lynn. they all 2 fear the day when they had a get a 4 stroke 4 their kids. most of them said that when the day comes they would have 2 reevaluate their race effort if they do not get some support. on a average they go tru 4 mini bikes(85cc) a year. so it was a 4 stoke..the costs would be a lot higher. these families put in lots of time,money in pursuing their kid's dream at mx stardom. |
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| rookie | 20 Sep 2011, 12:41 Post #17 |
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airtime, you mean texas? |
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| airtime | 21 Sep 2011, 01:39 Post #18 |
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yes,texas rookie |
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| rookie | 21 Sep 2011, 22:29 Post #19 |
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another new thread in 2st mx forum what was I thinking? « on: September 20, 2011, 07:50:50 AM » Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm 38 yrs old an I wanted to get back into riding mx. I bought a used rmz 250 an rode it a few times an it was getting hard to start so I took it to the cycle shop they called an said it needed a new top end an valves They called yesterday an said it was ready I asked what the bill was $950 I'm picking it up today an trading it for a 03 rm 250 sat I'm not even going to start it!! =============================== other replies Your lucky it was that cheap. ====== Lol yeah the guy @ the cycle shop even told me he wld get a 2 stroke, If u were racing mx ====== Welcome to 4strokes! If you can't do it yourself you wil go bankrupt from riding motocross. This! A 250f is the wrong bike to buy used... ====== Yep, buddy of mine took his kxf250 out for a spin down a gravel road. Cruisin around 40 mph when all of a sudden. BOOOOM!!! Rod came out the front of the motor. His bro connection yielded $1659 for parts alone. Another $800 or so in labor. So he's given up on the koolaid and is putting a 250 two stroke motor in that chassis. It's an 09 I believe... The best thing is he just had a new top end put in it before this ride. ====== I had a mate text me the other day asking what Ktm 300's were like. I told him from everything I have heard they are awesome an he should get one. He then went on to tell me he didn't want a 4 stroke cos they are too expensive to fix and he sold his crf 250 that he bought 2nd hand cos he was too scared to ride it cos he didn't know the history of it. He lives right up in the north of Australia and he said that all the fast guys in the 250 class are on two strokes and he said he thinks 2 strokes will make a comeback in a couple years. I told him its already happened This guy has never had a 4 stroke blow up but I did warn him about it when he bought his crf and maybe he heard some it is horror stories but there is another one that has made the switch ======= just some of the replies |
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| airtime | 22 Sep 2011, 01:26 Post #20 |
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i pity the buyer...its like he kinda bought a bike than had been used a year or so without proper maintenance. he is lucky his dealer has stock of the parts! if dis happened in s.g,i wonder how shops/importers would have spares?  most likely the guy would have 2 self import the parts from overseas which would only add up 2 his bill! now u noe y,rookie i always use the brand of bike with a good agent support 4 parts. 
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